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A Debate About Data Centers – with an Expert

My father is Terry Rodgers, one of the world’s leading experts on the commissioning and environmental standards of data centers.

And I’m just a resident of Spartanburg, South Carolina, where a widespread public movement is underway to oppose new data center construction – and where a march is scheduled to take place in a few hours. I’m no expert on data centers, I just know my community and our neighbors.

Last night, I had a debate with my father over text message about data center construction. I’d like to provide it in full here so that readers can get a sense of both sides of the issue.

My words are provided in italics and aligned to the right.

His words are in quotations and aligned to the left.

The conversation starts with screenshots of a post on Facebook shared by local activist Eric Allison.


Dad. Is this the data center you’ve been involved with in Spartanburg? The one at the old Kohler Plant on Hwy 176? Is this information correct?ย 

TR: “I’ve had no involvement with any data center projects in SC. I met with a potential client a year ago but the deal didn’t go through.ย 

“And don’t believe everything you’re told. The land use permitting process is incredibly bureaucratic, formal, and documented. Everything from the power and utility agreements and demarcations of who is responsible for what, codes and ordinance compliance, etc. infrastructure upgrades. And most is public records. And it moves like a snail. I’ve been witness to the developers realm for the last year. Nothing is ever as simple as it seems. We can only clear trees during certain months in PA when the bats aren’t mating and we can’t disturb the endangered rattle snakes. Wet lands, corp of engineers, national forest service, noise regulations, and a hundred more boxes to check. And legal repercussions for cheating.ย 

“There are plenty of regions and counties that want the jobs, tax revenue, and local investment that developers will cancel or avoid the not-in-my-backyard counties. T5 held a community outreach mtg in Marble NC when pitching a 60MW data ctr project. The mayor literally asked what kind of robots were we planning to build and would they be walking the streets and driving their cars. And then ended up supporting the project which we are just completing now. The local tax coffers of this town of less than 1000 will be overflowing.ย 

If you don’t have power locked in; not a plan, but under contract, then investors won’t invest.ย 

“Also, the post is about a plan for a 500MW data center to provide its own power plants, so your electricity rates don’t go up.ย ย 

“Every technical marvel and convenience you enjoy depends on data centers.ย “

Thank you for your response. I understand what you’re saying. However…

Cherokee County, NC, where Marble is located, is mainly a retirement community where the median age is 55, and 20% of the population does not own a device to access the internet (according to 2025 county data). The main employer is the US Navy in Andrews. So a data center in a town of 1000 can get away with hiring only a handful of people who are supplementing a substantial pension or a military spouse’s income. There is also a drug trade – there was an OD outbreak in Andrews last year – but my friend Stephanie in Macon County runs the only harm reduction clinic in the region, and she does it without any support from any government agencies. So I honestly do not know what Murphy’s tax dollars are going to do besides pay local officials.

Let’s talk about Spartanburg County – we’re not a small community. There are two main reasons people are up in arms right now. The first is that the public was not informed or given the chance to weigh in on the data center on Hwy 176, or any others being built, and they were furious when they found out. Some county council members are definitely going to be voted out, and there’s another march scheduled tomorrow.

As this post states, we were also told that it would only be a 50 MW data center, then it somehow became 450 MW. No one believes that the plans started with a small data center and grew naturally. The public understands they were lied to by our representatives. Some concerned neighbors were even told that this would be a solar-powered data center generating its own electricity. I don’t believe they’ll generate their own natural gas and electricity, and we’ve already seen our Duke Energy bills increase quite a bit in the last few years – I still haven’t been able to pay off mine since the ice storms in January and February and I can’t afford to run my thermostat. Some communities have monthly bills higher than their mortgages right now.

The second reason people are up in arms here is the pollution; when they found out about the data center already under construction, people started doing research. I never realized how bad for the environment they were before my neighbors informed me. The needs of a 50 MW data center vs 450 MW is massive, and there’s serious concern not only for the wildlife, but for neighbors living right next to the site who were not informed or given a chance to weigh in. Cancer rates are higher, the noise is 24/7. They are furious.

A while back I drove around the Facebook data center near Forest City to get a better idea of the impacts. The community there – and that entire side of Rutherford County – has not economically benefitted from that site unfortunately. Securitas used to have the security contract there, and their guards only got paid $12-13/hr. The data centers only employ a few dozen people or so as well, and while I really don’t like the factories and distribution centers we have in Spartanburg County, they can employ hundreds of people (when goods like car parts are being ordered and made) for the same amount of green space lost.ย 

It also creates an impact on nearby farmland, which is a huge part of Spartanburg County, and the local farmers help us keep food prices lower. They are currently struggling with drought, and we can’t afford to use more water to power data centers when they’re struggling to water their crops; but if they are forced to sell their farmland, there’s always a developer eager to buy up already-cleared land and slap down some kind of concrete monstrosity on it.

During the current economic downturn, while people aren’t buying new cars and other goods, there have been a lot of mass layoffs announced here. Today it was Thyssenkrupp. That’s given those companies the chance to automate their administrative processes – like accounts payable, for instance – so that they won’t be rehiring so many of us whenever the global economy does pick back up.

I’ll say this though – the backlash has brought this huge community together across the political spectrum and led to a movement the likes of which I’ve never seen before, and it’s actually beautiful. I’ve never been so proud of my community.

We are especially opposed to mass surveillance, and a lot of my neighbors have started referring to AI data centers as “mass surveillance centers.” Dynamic pricing for instance – if you walk into a grocery store or shop for plane tickets online, they may use an algorithm to determine your identity and how much you can pay, and charge you a higher amount. Flock traffic cameras can’t seem to prevent crime, they don’t keep Main Street any safer here in my neighborhood, but they’re used by border patrol and other govt agencies to target drivers based on “suspicious” driving patterns. Facebook shut down my account as soon as I posted an article about billion-dollar oil future trades on Kalshi and Polymarket, and wouldn’t let me unlock it without providing YOUR old credit card number (which I didn’t. Screw that.) Spartanburg County has decided they’re strongly against all of this surveillance, and against the jobs that are being replaced by AI. We can’t even afford whatever technological marvels you might be referring to, but we know who’s profitting from them.ย 

I haven’t decided yet if I’m going to attend the anti-data center march tomorrow or not. I have decided I don’t want that facility being built 5 miles from me, or the other one proposed in Cannons Campground. But my neighbors were successfully able to get the Tyger River DC canceled – the corporation pulled out when they were no longer going to get a tax break.

I would ask you to please remember communities like mine that do not want these facilities and are being forced on us anyway. In the meantime, I am really proud of my community. And the council members who allowed this to happen are definitely going to be replaced in November.

TR: “Ignorance is bliss.”

Yeah that explains why everybody got so upset when they realized what was happening lolย 

TR: “Name one aspect of your life that doesn’t involve a data center. Phone? Texts? Taxes? Groceries? GPS? Banking? Gasoline? Streaming? Research? Socializing? Clean water? Apps? Weather forecasts? Healthcare? Road maintenance? Photoshop? DoorDash? Uber? The internet? Etc? How many cars were taken off the road when instead of everyone driving around buying stuff they ordered online and several delivery vans deliver everything to everyone?ย ย 

“Data centers provide capabilities. It’s what they get used for that determines good vs bad. You use them to expose fraud and help your community. Others use them to commit crimes. Or funny cat videos.ย 

“It is my sincere hope and belief that we need new capabilities to solve the problems facing the survival of Earth. The irony is the immediate collateral damage. As I ended my presentation in Malaysia, AI will either destroy the planet or save it and it’s a race to see who wins.”

Well that is a good point Dad. But this article – which quotes JLL by the way – states that data center growth led to a 34% jump in GW usage in 2024 alone. I don’t believe that internet usage among the general public or even critical services jumped 34% in 2024, especially when a big chunk of the Carolinas was without power AND data connectivity for weeks or months during that year. I believe it’s the corporate AI boom that has been causing a lot of this recent spike, not only in data center construction, but larger facilities – actually this article just introduced me to the term “hyperscale data center” (what the heck is that?)

https://constructionreviewonline.com/the-scale-of-u-s-data-centers-investments-growth-and-policy-outlook

Tomorrow I’m going to forage blackberries from the bushes in my neighborhood as I’ve been doing lately; I’ll gather my quarters and buy a dozen eggs for $4 from a small local farmstand in Cowpens; and maybe [good friend] and I can make it to Strawberry Hill and get a bushel of peaches to split. A data center isn’t responsible for any of that, but data center pollution and water consumption could threaten any of those crops in the long run. Thanks to data centers, I have been downloading free open source books and articles; and IFPRI, the World Bank, and other groups have a lot of them regarding agriculture, climate resilience, and food security. It is clear that we need to protect our climate and our water supply more than we need apps and streaming, especially when a lot of those apps are constantly recording data for advertising and surveillance, instead of the actual main functions of the app. (It’s the reason we both have refused to download Tiktok for instance.)

I’ve never heard anyone argue that healthcare or weather models shouldn’t be prioritized, or that they aren’t a valid reason to use AI. They’ve saved a lot of lives from recent tornado outbreaks for instance. But I’d say the majority of people feel that contributing to climate change isn’t worth making fake cat videos (Phoebe is chirping in my living room as I type this.)

Unfortunately the water that comes out of my tap is not so clean and trustworthy – it causes an itchy rash when I shower and my dishes don’t come out of the dishwasher clean anymore – so I went down to the healing spring in Blackville last week for fresh water… which is maintained by the local Mennonite community. Definitely no data centers involved.ย 

TR: “There’s hope. Quantum computing is quickly becoming a reality. Small prototypes are solving problems in minutes that classical computers can’t solve in years. They will achieve practical ‘quantum supremacy’ I think probably in 3 to 5 years or sooner.ย 

“And quantum computers use almost no energy other than the cryogenics to cool a computer chip to absolute zero. A million qubits is a million molecules.

“If you want to double the compute capacity of a classical computer, you have to double the amount of transistors. If you have 10,000 Nvidia GB300 processors (chips), you would need 10,000 more.ย 

“With quantum computing, every time you add another qubit you double its capacity. 1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,…..you get to the trillions pretty fast. And quantum supremacy is estimated at about 60 qubits and IBM has achieved 120, but error correction and duration remain challenges, but it’s not hypothetical, it’s producing the promised resultsย 

“The Aurora supercomputer at Argonne uses 60MW. A quantum computer will use kilowatts.ย 

“When you couple AI and Quantum, you get some really powerful capabilities.”

In that case, why do they need to keep building massive data centers now instead of waiting a few years for quantum technology to reduce the size and energy requirements?

And how do most ordinary Americans benefit from this when their jobs are replaced?ย 

I believe it’s because of the desire for mass surveillance under the current administration, because they know it is and will continue to be opposed by the majority of Americans across the political spectrum.

Quantum data centers years from now can’t fix the economic or environmental problems that the current growth of data centers are already causing.

(Mom, these are the jobs that the government is hiring right now, FYI. This is what DOGE slashed every other federal budget for last year – especially FEMA which is also under DHS – and why Trump designated the rapid construction of AI data centers as a matter of national security, while labeling renewable energy as a national security threat.)ย 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/05/07/ice-deployments-states-data/89966257007

TR: “Again, you’re lumping all data centers together and blaming them for what this administration is trying to do. So simple and so convenient and in line with conspiracies.ย 

“The intelligence community have their own data centers that you don’t hear about. They wouldn’t use a public cloud. And Snowden exposed the same long ago.ย 

“Technology, robotics, automation, and innovation have been eliminating jobs since the start of the industrial age. The rest of the world is using AI. My mentee from Wuhan China works at the New Jersey Institute of Technology specializing in using AI for institutional research. She says it does all the data collection and compilation that consumed most of the human resources time and effort freeing them up to assess and analyze the data instead. Some jobs go away and new ones are created. Some lose, some win. It’s a great time to be a mechanic or electrician. 6 figure salaries with no school loans. Software Programmers, not so much.”ย 

That’s not what’s happening here in Spartanburg County or in most of the US. And as for intelligence…ย 

Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, and Sundar Pinchai all met with Trump before his inauguration – when Biden warned of an “oligarchy” forming during his exit speech. They were all front row at his inauguration – along with Jeff Bezos, whose AWS data centers are utilized by the US military (like the ones Iran targeted in the Middle East).

Elon Musk was blitzed on [removed to avoid being sued by a weird billionaire] at the inauguration and gave his famous Nazi salute – right in front of Mark Zuckerberg, who is Jewish. The very next day in a DM conversation on Facebook, I was automatically censored from sending the video of that salute to anyone – that’s AI censorship. So I tried asking Meta AI about it. See the screenshots above. Zuckerberg had that information blocked or removed from his company’s AI so that it would pretend the incident never happened, while the internet was exploding about it.

(Those screenshots might look a little confusing- I was having a conversation with a real person but on Facebook Messenger, you can tag @Meta AI in order to ask it a question directly in the chat.)

I’ve never believed for a second Zuckerberg became one of the richest men in the world simply by selling ad space on a dying social media platform. And in March he was named to a new White House council on AI, same time that Scott Bessent announced a series of conferences with big tech firms and major banks about deregulating AI – and the news was quietly censored about the billion-dollar oil bets on Polymarket and Kalshi.

Putting this info together is what got my account permanently closed on Facebook.

https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/meta-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-appointed-to-white-house-advisory-council

https://upnorthlive.com/news/nation-world/treasury-to-hold-conferences-on-ai-technology-regulation-reductions-for-banks-financial-institutions

https://www.ccn.com/news/crypto/us-senator-insider-trading-trade-trump-iran-trader-war-bets

Hey remember the pedophilic birthday letter Trump sent to Epstein that came out in September last year?ย 

When I tried to upload it, automatic AI censorship again. Not even if I added squiggly lines. Not even if I inverted the colors. Not even if I shared it as part of a screenshot showing what happened when I tried to share it. When I tried to share it in comments instead of a post, the camera icon just turned red and wouldn’t do anything.ย 

I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that 5 months later, it was revealed that Zuckerberg, along with Elon Musk, Bill Gates, and other tech executives, partied with Epstein as well.

So why would the federal intelligence community avoid buying bulk collected data from these creeps just as easily as anyone else on earth? What mechanism or circumstance would prevent that – just because they have their own data centers?ย 

Hell, they’re using Google’s AI, Meta’s Llama AI, and 6 or 7 other corporate AI platforms in the military now.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacharyfolk/2026/02/08/mark-zuckerberg-and-elon-musk-seen-at-dinner-in-epstein-files-photo

https://www.war.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/4354916/the-war-department-unleashes-ai-on-new-genaimil-platform

https://www.gsa.gov/about-gsa/newsroom/news-releases/gsa-meta-collaborate-on-ai-adoption-09222025

https://apnews.com/article/amazon-aws-data-center-uae-iran-bahrain-71066b0a822c4cfd88b61e3fe79af917

But it is obvious that you cannot automatically censor communications unless you are automatically surveilling them.

That’s why Trump’s admin considers it a matter of national security.ย 

TR: “It amazing how you always know more than everyone else on every topic. Reminds me of someone…never mind.ย 

“Wish me luck for next week when I’m a panelist at the Data Center Investor Conference and Expo. And presenting at the 7×24 Exchange International conference in Orlando in June. And the ASHRAE mtg in Knoxville in late May. And back to Kuala Lumpur in Sept. And a conference in August in Dallas. And most importantly when I’m in San Antonio in late June where I’ll be updating ASHRAE/ANSI standard 90.4 Energy Standard for Data Centers which has been adopted as code in most states and into the International Energy Conservation Code (IECC).

“Unfortunately, South Carolina is still using the 2009 version of the IECC so 90.4 doesn’t apply there.”

Hey, I just pay attention to what’s going on and cite my sources.ย 

I think this would be a good discussion to have at your conferences:ย 

If quantum computing is going to drastically reduce the footprint of data centers in a few years, why are big tech companies like Meta and AWS – along with the Trump admin – pushing so hard right now for massive data centers before that happens, despite the opposition from the public and documented harm to our climate and environment?

TR: “I never said quantum would replace classical computers. Quantum does not manage emails, excel sheets, or funny cat videos. It doesn’t stream YouTube or phone calls. Same for HPC. It takes a classical computer to tell the quantum what to solve, and after quantum solves it, the answer has to be converted back to ones and zeros so we can understand the answer. They are different tools for different jobs. AI, HPC, and quantum are good at math. That’s why they use GPUs vs CPUs. But even the most powerful HPC computers can’t solve math problems that quantum will solve in minutes. So HPC will be impacted a lot. I’m not sure about AI.ย 

“Like I said, nothing is as simple as it seems.ย “

This is what I was circling back to, especially the highlighted partย 

Absolutely nobody I know is going to be able to afford a quantum computer or probably even a new laptop lol. I just meant for data centers.ย 

TR: “HPC = High Performance Computer (aka supercomputer) = Aurora SC which as I said will be impacted by quantum.ย ย 

“HPC and AI run as many GPUs in parallel as if they are one gigantic processor. Aurora idles at 30MW and when someone in the NOC hits “enter” or “run”, it jumps to 60MW in milliseconds. Tens of thousands of GPUs (Aurora has over 67,000) working on the same problem at the same time as one processor. AI is similar.ย 

“Legacy cloud computing is completely different. Thousands of servers each with lots of apps doing lots of different things at the same time. New Edge data centers are 5 and 10MW air-cooled like we deployed 10 yrs ago. Financial and insurance companies’ data centers are very different than social media (google, facebook, etc). They vary greatly.ย 

“When this administration leaves, the next one will need these tools to repair the damage.ย 

“You’ve never known a world without data centers and seem oblivious to how totally dependent on them you are. When you scan an item at the grocery store checkout, you’re using multiple data centers (grocery store’s, bank’s, suppliers’ logistics and transportation, purchase orders, etc).”

Oblivious? That’s an unnecessary comment, because nowhere in this conversation have I suggested we shut down existing data centers or stop using technology altogether. But with a 34% increase in electricity usage in 2024 alone, I think we should be a lot more mindful of how many new ones we’re building and what the purpose of all that data storage is – because utilizing resources for healthcare and weather models is not the same as govt mass surveillance, or dynamic pricing at supermarkets, or cat videos.

And if I took a video of my cats right now and sent it to you, the data is stored on the phone in my hands and the phone in yours. That data does not need to be stored in a data center unless it’s uploaded to the cloud for some reason. But in order to use an AI program like Sora (which just got deleted) to generate a fake video of cats, it would probably use computing power from a data center somewhere – and that’s not a good use of our limited resources, especially when most of the US is still in severe drought status (I saw today Concord is going to implement drought restrictions in a week.) Our farmers have been struggling under these drought conditions. I would rather have affordable food than AI-generated content. The vast majority of people feel the same.

I haven’t been able to scan items at a supermarket since the beginning of the war – I can’t afford it. I got donations from a food bank instead. What does AI have to do with that – besides driving the current war that’s sent the global economy into turmoil, and limiting the number of accounting and administrative jobs that are available for all of us right now, especially in Spartanburg County, one of the fastest growing areas in the country?ย 

So you mention logistics and purchase orders, but since 2023, companies even in Greenville have been building AI programs and having their accountants train them to process invoices automatically. I’m certainly not oblivious to that. The majority of Americans are struggling to pay for groceries or their bills right now. How are more data centers – raising the cost of our utilities and our food – going to help us right now while taking our jobs?

I really wish there was an answer. It would make me feel a lot better about the future. But this is why most of the world is starting to turn against the constant and rapid construction of new and larger data centers with larger energy requirements and carbon footprints. I haven’t heard anyone demand we shut down existing ones (except maybe Virginia, sorry [younger brother who lives in VA]) but when it’s gotten to the point that local governments are forcing or sneaking them past their own citizens, like what Spartanburg’s county council did, it’s probably time to pump the brakes.

You mentioned mechanic and electrician jobs earlier, but if that was actually a booming industry, industrial hubs like Spartanburg County would be thriving – and companies like Thyssenkrupp wouldn’t be announcing mass layoffs in our county this week. [Robotics company] wouldn’t have a hiring freeze and [good friend] would be able to find a job somewhere else with his robotics degree. [Steel manufacturing company] wouldn’t be posting fake job postings in Greenville on their website. BMW would have more than a few jobs available at their largest worldwide plant in Spartanburg, half of which are co-ops.

We are not a tech center like Silicon Valley. We are a manufacturing hub that relies on electricians and mechanics when the global economy can afford to buy and ship products.

Speaking of silicon and computer chips, Spruce Pine, NC – that beautiful little town 2 hours north of me that got hit so hard by Helene – produces 90% of the world’s computer chips. But even they mass laid off workers late last year, and Mitchell County was already not an affordable region for anyone to move to besides retirees (Appalachian mining towns never are.) They do not have any other industry besides tourism, they do not have jobs that can afford the houses that are still standing. They do have some of the kindest people I have ever met, and I’d HIGHLY recommend visiting the town sometime, especially the little free geology museum near the Blue Ridge Parkway with extremely knowledgeable staff. But they do not have a grocery store anymore – Ingles never reopened after the flood. The nearby Walmart parking lot unfortunately became a tent city after Helene.

This is the town that makes your entire industry, and all of that technology you mentioned, and much more, possible – it was nearly catastrophic when they were wiped out by Helene, the National Guard and Army Corps of Engineers did incredible work to rebuild the mines so quickly. But it hasn’t provided them or their families with economic prosperity.

So maybe the conversation at those conventions you’ll be attending should be:

How do we ensure that the data centers we are building are for the benefit of all the public, since they utilize the public’s limited resources and are subsidized by the public’s utility payments?


(It was now 3 AM in the morning and there was no response after my last message.

Thank you for reading and God bless Spartanburg County.)

The Hurricane Diaries – Week One


9/26/24

I’m just saying this now before whatever happens, happens.

The people in the mountains had no chance this time.

There was rain, there were storms, it was pretty typical. We were looking forward to apple harvest festivals coming up. Then a few days ago, there was barely a mention of a tropical storm that might generate some more rain and wind inland. It’s only in the past 36 hours or so that we even started finding out that the mountains were set to get nailed with a historic storm, and the forecasts are rapidly getting worse. Meanwhile severe flooding and tornadoes started in the region LAST NIGHT, from this series of storms that ISN’T Helene. We still have not seen the impact of the hurricane yet – Florida and South Georgia are barely starting to see landfall as I type this. But a lot of folks are already unable to leave their homes as it is.

I keep telling myself, I wanna be wrong here, I wanna believe I’m overexaggerating. But I think this is gonna be really really severe. Get to the safest place you can and pray.

P.S. Don’t let ANY politician in the coming weeks fill your ears with empty promises and platitudes about how resilient you are. DEMAND the support of your nation with the same goddamn tax dollars your community has generated for generations now. That’s it, that’s my entire political rant.



In the aftermath of Helene, nearly all of our communities in Spartanburg County lost power, phone and data service, and road access. We didn’t know much more about WNC at the time than the rest of the world did; Asheville and smaller towns were physically cut off, all roads in WNC were closed, and Chimney Rock had been wiped off the map in a mudslide. We went to work just to feel normal, if our jobs were open; and we spent the rest of our time charging our phones in open cafes, cursing the barely-there internet signal and anxiously awaiting word from our neighbors up north, as we assured our friends and family further off that we were fine, just bored and stinky.

In the days to follow, as we slowly regained the ability to communicate with one another, we slowly started to learn something – just something – of the extent of the devastation that the same storm had wreaked in the steeper northern terrain. It was difficult to come to terms with, to say the least – and it is strongly considered a Southerner’s duty to assist their neighbor in a time of need.

The problem was that the roads were blocked, flooded, and even washed away in some places. We physically could not reach them.

9/30/24

I really need ya’ll to stop treating this as a mildly interesting thought experiment to debate on, when a lot of us are still trying to find out if our loved ones are okay or where we’re gonna get our next hot meal.

And if you’re using this as an opportunity to score political zingers off of people who are dealing with a natural disaster, do me a favor first, go call up your mama and ask her where she went wrong.

If you can’t or won’t help right now, get out of the way please.

10/1/24

More update from Spartanburg County:

I passed by TWO more convoys of line trucks and lifts while getting supplies. One convoy was headed up towards the mountains. The other is stationing near Spartanburg.

Lights are coming back across the county and most major highways are at least partially cleared. You’ll still want to avoid driving in darkness, or use your brights and keep to the inside lanes if you absolutely have to. Some side streets are still dangerous. It can vary block by block. I think I was still driving over live wires last night.

(Every single person in the western Carolinas would rather see ANY lineman on the planet, than ANY politician right now.)

Local and WNC folks, please feel free to message me if you are in Spartanburg and need help locating stores or resources.

I’ve been receiving a ton of messages and trying to keep up with all of them, and my daily life, and getting through the day without power lol. I’m fine here! But I apologize if it’s hard to get a hold of me, promise I’m not trying to ignore anyone.

P.S. If you cannot find fresh food at the grocery store, you MIGHT find it from a farmer on the side of the road, FYI. The guy who’s always on 221 in Roebuck was there again today. (Watch out for traffic lights out all the way down 221.)


As we began to realize both the severity and the massive scope of damage outside of Asheville, rumors started to run rampant. Some proved false – such as the church full of hundreds of people that were rescued weeks after the storm (the location changes depending on the post.) Since cell/data connection was still weak at best, popular video streaming services like TikTok and YouTube became hotbeds for viral content from “digital creators” who weren’t actually present on the ground in the affected areas.

Meanwhile – whether it was due to the active disaster conditions, or the ongoing election cycle – journalists were scarcely present across WNC, especially in rural areas far from the main interstates, which had been cleared within days of the storm (as best as could possibly be done in that timeframe.) This created an information void in the news media, which further fueled the misinformation fire.

Unfortunately, some of the horrifying details of what happened up in the mountains turned out to be true. It defied imagination.

10/2/24

Last thing I’m gonna say. And then by God I do need some sleep…

This post does an excellent job of telling you all what I couldn’t.

That if you aren’t hearing directly from people on the ground in this region, you aren’t hearing the true horror of what happened that morning. And the body count is going to be so much higher than anyone is prepared for. I’ve been plugged into sharing information because if I sit here in it, I just… cry.

Please pray for WNC.

Please send any support you can.

This is my favorite part of the world. This is the most beautiful place in the world. Oh, God… the scars will run so deep.

[the post in question]


10/2/24

I made my first supply run to Rutherford County today up 221.

Good news is the highway is pretty clear, but I wouldn’t risk it at night, and definitely more work needs to be done before it’s truly safe.

Roll your windows up before you cross the state line and leave them rolled up for several miles at least.

This part is going to be really, really gnarly. You don’t have to keep reading, but I still feel like it’s important to warn my own people downstream.

โš ๏ธ

The Broad River smells like bodies.

I looked it up – for my own sake – seems like dead bodies are not *supposed* to create a health hazard in the floodwaters, as long as we don’t go playing in it or drinking it.

You know, I did follow the Helene coverage all the way up to the f’ing weather radar as it approached, and I never though I’d be writing this status a week later while listening to sirens scream past for the fourth time since I got home two hours ago.

Nothing is okay right now. Everything else I’ve seen today, I’m still processing before I write it all down. DO NOT show up in WNC for any reason except to HELP. ๐Ÿšง



10/3/24

I believe there are two goals right now that are equally important for the immediate survival of WNC communities:

1. Restore infrastructure so it’s possible to reach everyone again.

2. Get essential supplies to those who cannot make it to a location to get them themselves.

And I have personally watched the crews, convoys, helicopters, headed up that way to make those goals happen. The speed they are moving at is INCREDIBLE. There is just such a massive, unimaginable amount of damage over such a widespread area… it’s as if an explosion hit WNC and ricocheted across every neighboring state.

That’s a lot of f’ing people across a massive, remote region. I’m not talking 100 people, I’m talking 100 TOWNS. These communities are completely inaccessible due to damaged roads that can’t even take a car right now without giving way, let alone trucks and convoys.

The first map below shows the roads, towns, and elevation in the mountains from the Great Smoky Mtns to Rutherford County. The second is a flat road map showing more land, including east TN and southwest VA. That STILL does not cover all of the seriously affected disaster areas. I’ve had some folks say “I need support for my friend, he’s in WNC -” these communities are hours apart from each other when the roads are even passable. Your friend’s situation might be very different depending on their actual location. There are 24 counties in western NC ALONE, and every single one has communities in need of immediate assistance.

The answer is to supply chain it. Here’s how it’s working:

Entire fleets of line trucks are fixing one area and immediately moving up to the next. Other workers are working around the clock just to keep them fed, locate problem sites to send crews to, or handle reports from those of us who have had fires and such from the electrical lines. (I credit a Duke Energy customer service rep with saving my flooded neighborhood from an electrical fire when 911 couldn’t.) The best thing anyone can do for their efforts is simply to stay out of their way and drive safely.

Large donation sites around the Carolinas and elsewhere are being moved by the freightload into WNC via air and newly repaired highways. (These groups really need monetary donations right now to keep up with the amount of fuel being used, too.) Locals who know the area REALLY F’ING WELL are usually the ones moving supplies to smaller, less accessible locations in smaller vehicles. If you got an off-road vehicle up there it is truly a moment to shine. I’ve missed the Jeep so much this week. I miss my Chevy Colorado.

NC and SC have NEVER been this badly damaged by a natural disaster in our lifetimes… and I’ve seen a lot of damage from a lot of storms, floods, fires. If you’ve seen this before on the coast, no, no you really haven’t. The vast majority of ya’ll have never seen or driven roads in such bad condition, so don’t f’ing risk it if you don’t already know the roads well. REALLY do not risk it at night. That’s not safe in the mountains in the best of conditions. Focus instead on getting supplies to people who can and will get it the last mile.


10/3/24

The entire nation NEEDS to know what happened here. You all need to know. This is SO much worse than just a bad storm.

[photos by The Homie Criket Media]


10/3/24

The lithium mine was never in Chimney Rock/Lake Lure. It’s in Kings Mountain, 80 miles away.

I know the conspiracy theories are more FUN than the updates from people on the ground.

I am begging you to stop sharing rumors from people who obviously don’t even know this area at all.

ETA: They do NOT build mines underneath lakes in flood zones… FFS.

ETAA: If you want to help Rutherford County and other stranded areas, here’s a supply drop location:

Fowler’s Resale Thrift Store

369 E Main St, Spindale, NC


10/5/24

I’m just gonna go ahead and tell my own Helene story before my brain breaks any further.

I live in Spartanburg, South Carolina, a beautiful city I love very much, nestled in the bosom of the Appalachian foothills.

When I was in college, I used to book and promote concerts in both Spartanburg and Charlotte, as well as Greenville SC, which are adjacent markets. Many, many of the artists I booked in Spartanburg came down from Asheville and WNC in general. Since most musicians in the city are food/bev or customer service workers, and it’s a pricey city with lots of competition for real estate, they tend to live in the surrounding towns around Asheville. And you should see them. Each of those tiny communities across WNC is so remarkably beautiful, unique, proud of its history, full of vibrant people and art and workmanship and traditions, just as all of Appalachia is if you take the time to truly explore.

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I love the land I live in so, so much, and everything about it, that back during the pandemic – and one of the hardest periods of my life, physically and mentally – I began to write a DnD campaign centered on a world based on WNC, SC, and the surrounding lands. In fact, I built the world first, knowing the story would be inspired later by it. And yes, the story came to life, in spurts and fits as art does and will.

I was inspired by the Dark Corner – the northwest region of South Carolina that resisted seceeding from the union, and assisted escaped slaves in making their way to freedom. The Quilt Stars you see on houses and barns along Highway 11, from Landrum to Pickens, were signs interpreted by escapees to find safe haven or avoid danger. They were later used by hobos coming up the Saluda Grade as well.

And God, I was inspired by a land they call Valhalla. The Saluda Grade is a steep slope through a windy mountain passage, Spartanburg Highway between Saluda and Tryon, along the Pacolet River and its stunning waterfalls. It was once the steepest and most dangerous railroad in America, connecting Asheville to Spartanburg, and even its construction was marred by tragedies and injustices. The railroad is now forever closed, and it is the most beautiful drive I have ever taken anywhere. I took it any time I could – but never at night – and I have taken many photos at the bridge over the falls. I don’t know if that bridge stands anymore. The road is completely closed off, and I’m certain it can’t be safe to attempt in a car. I’m not certain the road even exists anymore either.

And I was inspired by Lake Lure. There is this beautiful, tiny mountain lake resort village, formed by a dam where several rivers intersect in the valley. As you wind past Ingles up Highway 9, the mountains just peak a bit to give you a glimpse of the lake, before you pass another turn and the emerald curtains fully reveal the destination you’ve driven all that way for. The entire town exists along one narrow road that circles precariously along the cliff edges, snaking around lake homes on wooden stilts next to bouncing boats and patches of daylilies. Every restaurant, ice cream shack, and walking trail features stunning views of the lake and the mountains, especially the striking bald face of Chimney Rock. In those parts of the western NC mountains where no vegetation grows, for reasons even researchers cannot puzzle out, the Cherokee used to hold sacred rituals – in some places, they say you can still hear their songs on the night breeze. Their wisdom has been passed down to the people of this land, the same land that was taken from them, yet it is known to all that their spirits and traditions endure forever in the world’s oldest mountains.

I was hired over the summer to work at Fae Nectar. While I was working on my tabletop game, my favorite place without a doubt was sitting along the Broad River, staring up at the mountains, or strolling along the Lake Lure Flowering Bridge taking photos. Circumstances changed and I ended up taking a different job instead. But as for my own project, I had decided to center it on a little village I had created called Dragonlake Village. It was based on Lake Lure, Chimney Rock, East Flat Rock, Saluda, Tryon, Columbus, just how many of these places I love could I fit?? I was so set on putting the region itself into the game, even the NPCs are named after the roads. Peniel Arledge, the unicorn trainer. Otis Buckeye, the general store owner. The Flowering Bridge inspired a whole secret garden guild, which, it basically… I figured it was corny, but easier than coming up with new names, I guess…

And yes, of course, I put Spartanburg in there too. Because I love my city so much. I love the people here, I love the local businesses, I love the walking trail along Lawsons Fork Creek, which I also live just alongside, and even the animals that live here. I’ve always said the owls, groundhogs, snakes, cranes, and even that mean ol stray cat are my neighbors, too. And every time I get cabin fever and feel the itch to get out of town – or need to run an errand in NC, which is equally likely – I head up to Polk or Rutherford Counties usually. It’s become the place I just want to go when I’m stressed or upset, like a hand woven blanket, because it became so special to me during a very hard time in my life. And my roots run deep into Appalachia, and into the Carolinas; my great-great-uncle Bumby was part of the very first graduating class at the Cradle of Forestry, and applied that knowledge both to saving forest groves, and storing lumber for aircrafts during World War 1.

We are ONE community regardless of the state line. The store shelves in Tryon and Saluda are lined with local products from Spartanburg County, and the Hub City Farmers’ Market bustles every Saturday morning with farmers and craftsfolk from up in the mountains.

I’ve told my friends for years that these mountains call you and then they don’t let go, and they called me. I couldn’t bear to leave and now I know I never will. I still love you all so much.

I want you all to know and remember what these places were, and have hope in your hearts for what they will be again.

I can’t reach them anymore right now.

Nothing is stopping me but the land itself, the land I love.

I’m going to make a separate post to talk about the storm, and what it was like for us here in Spartanburg when the vortex hit.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.


10/5/24

This was my experience when Helene hit Western Carolina. Before, during, and after the vortex passed over my home at the bottom of the mountains.

You may not want to read it, and you certainly don’t have to.

But it is so important that the country knows what truly happened here.

Two days before Helene hit, the mountains were already flooding. And we heard she was just one more tropical storm we would be taking some wind and rain from.

We’d been receiving days’ worth of rain without much break, saturating the ground and swelling most rivers in the region to record highs for the time of year. Tree roots slipped through the cracks of eroded cliffsides and crashed to the ground below. EF1 tornadoes hit both Greenville and East Flat Rock in the days before Helene. Those are not even close locations.

Wednesday night, Biltmore Village in Asheville was underwater from flooding by the Swannanoa River. As downtowns flooded and power lines failed, the forecast for Helene changed.

Thursday around 1 am, I heard the morning birds chirp outside, every time it started to rain on and off. It was the first real red alarm I personally had. Those birds do not chirp until at the very least, 4 or 5 am. I think they were detecting something in the air pressure with the storm still more than 12 hours away from making landfall in Florida. The forecasts and spaghetti models still showed Helene heading west towards Kentucky. I worried for Westminster and Walhalla in SC. I worried for the additional rain we would take on 100% totally saturated ground.

Thursday morning, the dam at Lake Lure was at 9 feet and rising, generating local headlines and flood watches. Downtown Hendersonville was a lake at Spartanburg Highway, completely impassable. People thought Helene had already arrived, especially if their power had gone out and/or they didn’t have much cell service where they were.

I was working from home that day. The creek behind my home had swelled to a raging river that threatened to overflow its banks. I told my neighbor it would; she gave me a strange look. I could see the water running off the ground in sheets. I called my partner and was fairly insistent he needed to come home before the flooding got worse here. I moved my car to the other side of the parking lot and took out anything I considered valuable, but I left my tiny Raidho charm. I spent the rest of the day taking things off of the porch.

As the waters streamed down all those beautiful rocky waterfalls we love in the mountains, the cliffs crumbled. And the forecast for Helene changed.

I need you to understand how pitch black the mountains are at night, at even the best of times – and even when the lights are on.

Thursday night, the Lake Lure dam had risen from 9 to 27 feet, according to the reporters. Downwater flood alarms were blaring at my some of my closest friends that it was no longer safe to be where they were. I told people to get to the safest place they could and pray, just as Helene was making landfall in Big Bend, Florida. The wind had not picked up yet – just constant, unending rain. I relied on my windchimes to tell me when the hurricane had arrived.

…At some point, I slept.

I woke around 1 am. The storm was passing over Augusta. I found USGS water monitoring sites upstream and downstream of me, which were reporting incremental data every hour. Every single river I found in WNC by that time was flowing at record highs for the time of year. Every. Single. One.

At 2:30 am the huge, beautiful oak and pine trees all around me began to snap. Most of these were located along Lawsons Fork Creek and battered by floodwaters.

At 3 am I believed the vortex was heading straight for us in Spartanburg, looking at the radar.

By 3:30 am I was certain.

I don’t remember what time the warnings came to evacuate Lake Lure and the entire Swannanoa River basin, running along Highway 64. There is only one tiny, precarious, two-lane road that circles the cliffsides around the lake, stretching east and west along 64, and south along 9. I remember initially typing out a warning for people to avoid Highway 9 because the downstream flooding. Then I checked Google Maps. Highway 9 was the only way out of the town, attempting an hour-long journey along lakes and sprawling farmland all the way to Spartanburg. I do not know how many people attempted to escape or if they made it out.

Meanwhile, I took the rest of everything off my porch. By 4 am my partner woke up to me wrestling with the wind to haul a bicycle inside. I got almost everything in but the 200-pound rocking chair, and a set of windchimes I couldn’t safely reach due to the winds picking up. The sound of trees snapping became more frequent. The wind pulled my storm door off the track at some point.

Starting about 5:15 to 5:30 am last Friday, Helene was the most violent storm I ever lived through.

The river raged at our backs and nipped at the heels of our buildings’ lower levels as the water ran down in sheets, and the winds in the distance looked like tornado strength to me, though I never witnessed a funnel cloud. The tornado sirens went off at some point. And somehow, for maybe an hour or two, I slept.

At 7:15 I woke up just before the power went out. I texted my boss that unfortunately I wouldn’t be making it into work anyway, as I could hear the river from my bed. She begged me not to even attempt it. The news later showed a car being rescued off the bridge that leads to my job. I’m not sure at what point our roads were blocked by the falling trees.

Somehow I slept again. I asked my partner to wake me up if anything crazy happened. I’d done all I could by that point. When I woke, it was a beautiful early autumn day, and all hell had broken lose in Spartanburg.

Before we lost most, thankfully not all, data and cellular communications, we had two last warnings:

1. The Lake Lure dam failure was imminent.

2. 911 communications were down.

The way Lawsons Fork Creek was flooding, I falsely believed the dam had already failed. I also believed floodwaters from the mountains would be coming later to swell the river even further. In reality, we were looking at those mountain floodwaters – especially from Valhalla and the Saluda Gorge – and thank God Almighty the Lake Lure dam held despite predictions, sparing the residents downstream.

Spartanburg was not in good shape.

Most power was out. Most roads were blocked. It took them hours to clear ours. It is a priority road. People immediately flocked to damaged streets with power lines dangling over them, driving underneath precariously perched poles (East Main Street ๐Ÿ˜’) to run on groceries and gasoline at the only functioning businesses for miles. I walked the neighborhood with a few neighbors and we got snacks at the corner store, which deserves a medal for their efforts by the way. We gawker at the flooding river. The Greenway was completely gone, brown waters gurgling over the pedestrian bridge that normally sits 20 feet above them. The neighboring apartment complex had flooded buildings.

When they attempted to restore power to our lines, they short circuited in multiple locations next to the river, setting trees on fire behind them. It took me 4 tries to reach 911 on the 864 number they were using. By that time I was running up the hill towards Main Street to flag down help.

The dispatcher mocked me instead of sending help, a truly jarring experience as a security guard who’s been involved in tons of 911 calls. I hung up, called back, and got the same dispatcher, who never did send help. Another neighbor managed to reach a different dispatcher. The fire truck came, left with the wires still on fire, and said it was Duke’s problem. I fought with the limited data and cellular reception to find a Duke customer service number, and as the wires continued to ignite in front of my neighborhood, I managed to put in a 911 urgent service ticket. Like corporate IT. Their system was too backlogged to generate an update, but at some point, the sparks stopped, and I believe they finally turned off electricity to those cables.

When I couldn’t get an update, I decided to brave the roads to reach the police station. Poles at 45 degree angles hanging above the road. A car swerved impatiently around me, nearly plowing into a live wire that was dangling in the middle of St John Street. Intersections were a free-for-all. The police station was locked, and although an officer saw me in front of the building and pulled around back, he did not approach me and eventually I just gave up, went home, prayed about it.

About WNC, initially, we only knew two things:

1. ALL roads in WNC were now closed.

2. Chimney Rock no longer stood.

It was unthinkable, the entire village that sits along 64 just below Lake Lure had been taken out by a massive landslide. 100% of buildings were destroyed or severely damaged. Every business was lost, every one of them focused on tourism.

Hearing about the Lake Lure Flowering Bridge was the first time I cried. Now I wonder if the bridge took impact that otherwise would have caused the Lake Lure dam to fail. The Flowering Bridge saved many, many lives and was sacrificed in the process. But I have learned that every time a tree falls, something new will grow in its place.

For days, we had very little power anywhere in the neighborhood, and we’re extremely lucky it was close by at all. Roads were too dangerous to attempt unless it was imperative. We all got used to driving over and under live wires, through paths carved out in fallen tree trunks, and judging each other’s intentions at traffic intersections. We charged our phones in cafes while cursing the cell service.

And then around Monday, I think, as some of us were headed to our jobs just to feel halfway normal, we started to see the updates from our friends I Asheville as they regained data communication via satellites. They were cries for help, accompanied by the most drastic flooding we’d ever imagined in Asheville. Some of our friends had not had power or water in 6-8 days.

Every single person I know in the Upstate has some kind of deep ties to the mountains. And we are a people who value helping your neighbor, helping one another, and there is no possible way we could leave our loved ones stranded in such desperate conditions.

But we couldn’t reach them.

And as more and more photos and posts trickled in, the true horror of what had happened in the mountains began to unfold for each of us.

Please protect yourself before you read what I’m going to tell you. ESPECIALLY if you are from this region and you love this community like I do.

This should be considered not just a mass casualty, but a mass mass casualty incident.

When the rivers flooded, and the highways were washed out, people were simply trapped. Many on their roofs. Entire communities of homes were ripped away by the flooding. Their houses were completely submerged by 28 FEET of water in some places, carrying homes off of their foundations and dragging the structures for miles down what was usually a gentle current.

The lists of missing people feature the names of entire families, and there are far, far more than a few hundred that we have lost here. Those numbers are being severely underreported by their county Sheriffs. I see the updates every day on ABC13, the local WNC news.

In some parts of WNC, bodies have piled up at the bottoms of cliffs. They have also been found in trees, carried high above the ground by the flooding. And I have smelled the death from the Broad River when they finally drained the Lake Lure dam days later. The Sheriffs know. Their 911 operators definitely know. They’ve told residents they are overwhelmed with taking care of the living, and… there are just too many of those reports to handle in meantime, apparently.

I have learned, and it is awful to come to terms with, that it is standard protocol in natural disasters to focus efforts on the living instead of digging mass graves. Because the decay won’t create an additional biohazard. The water is already clearly not drinkable. I have personal convictions that make this so hard to come to terms with, but I also believe the spirits of the lost will want us to keep their communities alive with every effort we can provide. And every time a tree falls, something new grows in its place…

And as the people around me here in the Upstate have each gradually become aware of the true scope of the tragedy that took place on the morning of Friday, September 27, in the most beautiful place in the world, we have made the unspoken agreement to band together for our neighbors up north. Whether it’s been evacuating loved ones, cutting down trees with chainsaws, riding from holler to holler on dirt bike to check on residents, or moving supplies up to communities that have lost… everything. And experienced hell beyond what we can ever comprehend.

This is very hard to be involved in. I’ve been in constant tears, mood swings, unable to sleep or eat, and I’m not even in the trenches like they are. But everyone who knows, simply cannot turn away from people in the greatest need. Many highways are completely inaccessible, many infrastructure systems are completely demolished. The immediate need is to locate stranded survivors, and either get them out or get them resources before the cold sets in. There is also going to be an ongoing need throughout the holidays and the winter for clean water, food, clothing, PPE, and… everything. When I ask up there what is needed I am told “Everything.”

Volunteers and FEMA MUST work together somehow to keep these people alive over the winter.

And if all you’re doing is holding it down at home for your people – or for yourself – you are doing so much good, and you should be so proud, and continue to hold it down. If you aren’t, reach out to somebody, because the question on everyone’s lips around here is “How can I help?”

If you are able to help provide resources to the people of the Western Carolinas, by God, please do. I will never ask you for anything more important in my life.

I never knew so many of my neighbors were heroes.

Thank you for reading, God bless all ya’ll, and stay safe always. ๐Ÿ™โค


10/5/24

I hate doing this.

I am not physically or mentally in a position right now to make today’s supply run like I wanted to. I’m risking an accident if I run it right now. I will probably have to do this tomorrow. I need to eat and sleep and not risk an accident. We can’t afford to waste emergency resources or block a road.

I’m going to try again tomorrow.


And that was just the first week after the storm.
It was around this time we got power back at home.

Hub City Halloween TONIGHT!

Hub City Halloween

Guttermouth Promotions is excited to bring you tonight’s event: Hub City Halloween at Motte & Sons Bootlegging Co. in Spartanburg, SC!

This event will be the first brewery show hosted by Guttermouth Promotions, which was asked to promote this already-booked event. Guttermouth Promotions is proud to once again support hometown artists here in Spartanburg!

About the Concert:

Bring your friends out to enjoy good drink, food, and live music by Satori Tree, Outbound Train, and Courteous Monk! Dressing up in your best Halloween costume is highly encouraged.

Motte & Sons opens its doors open at 8:00 PM, and the music will start at 9:00 PM. Don’t forget to bring your ID!

For more information, as well as event graphics, click here or check out the official Facebook event page.

About the Performers:

Satori Tree LIVE

Spartanburg alternative rockers Satori Tree may be newcomers to the scene, but they’ve already become a local favorite at spots like the Fr8yard. Their demo is available as a name-your-price download on Bandcamp.

Outbound Train SHOOTCourteous Monk LIVE

Also hailing from Spartanburg is the roots-rock quintet Outbound Train, a group that also frequents the Fr8yard; and closing out the evening will be Courteous Monk, a blues/psychedelic trio that has performed at The Radio Room, The Velo Fellow, and countless locations around upstate South Carolina, even being featured on WSPA-TV’s Studio 62. Courteous Monk released two singles in July, “Sitara” and “Another Way,” which are both available as name-your-price downloads on Bandcamp.

About the Venue

Located in Spartanburg’s bustling downtown district, Motte & Sons Bootlegging Co. invites customers to “Drop by, take a tour of the distillery, strike up a conversation, and enjoy complimentary tastings of our whiskey, vodka, light and dark rums and brandy.” This micro-distillery produces its own alcoholic beverages, as well as candy and nuts, for those who want to enjoy themselves while supporting a local Upstate business – and, in this case, local Upstate music as well.